tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post150467575995370286..comments2023-05-13T12:42:00.360+01:00Comments on PamBG's Blog: Methodist OrdinationPamBGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11324370506889227234noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post-40972240922545383502008-07-01T22:11:00.000+01:002008-07-01T22:11:00.000+01:00Thanks, Ian. 'Enjoy' your three service Sunday! ...Thanks, Ian. 'Enjoy' your three service Sunday! I'll see Samuel at conference.PamBGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324370506889227234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post-30818649654197373462008-07-01T21:40:00.000+01:002008-07-01T21:40:00.000+01:00Every Blessing for the weekend Pam - I was invited...Every Blessing for the weekend Pam - I was invited to attend for Samuel Uwimana's recognition service but was already committed to a three circuit pulpit swop which I foolishly volunteered to organise.<BR/>I will be thinking of you as you take this next important step in your ministry.Fat Prophethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05180456857091238743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post-59451915491696165592008-07-01T17:59:00.000+01:002008-07-01T17:59:00.000+01:00Sandalstraps - just saw your comment for some reas...Sandalstraps - just saw your comment for some reason. Thanks for your good wishes.PamBGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324370506889227234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post-8864310458171668902008-06-30T10:26:00.000+01:002008-06-30T10:26:00.000+01:00Thanks you, Bene D and Methodist Preacher.Thanks you, Bene D and Methodist Preacher.PamBGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324370506889227234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post-67501640556490096662008-06-30T10:21:00.000+01:002008-06-30T10:21:00.000+01:00Every blessingEvery blessingDavidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05295136895729093238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post-68518720611165368022008-06-29T19:54:00.000+01:002008-06-29T19:54:00.000+01:00Pam, blessings and joy for you as you take this st...Pam, blessings and joy for you as you take this step.<BR/><BR/>Have a joyful and sacred week.<BR/><BR/>Bene DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post-6387434595755785012008-06-29T13:46:00.000+01:002008-06-29T13:46:00.000+01:00As for episcopacy...our orders are every bit as ap...<I>As for episcopacy...our orders are every bit as apostolic and valid as any other ecclesiological model</I><BR/><BR/>Tony, I totally agree with you. I don't really <I>mind</I> having the Presidents of Conference ordained bishops by tactile succession; or rather, I'm willing to 'suck it up' for the sake of ecumenism. But I will certainly never agree that Methodist orders have been invalid.PamBGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324370506889227234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post-50581550531485073792008-06-29T11:55:00.000+01:002008-06-29T11:55:00.000+01:00Pam, I pray every blessing for you this week, and ...Pam, I pray every blessing for you this week, and will be praying for you all week. This was a special time for me last year, and I pray the same is true for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post-30005042383755674942008-06-29T09:50:00.000+01:002008-06-29T09:50:00.000+01:00I pray every blessing on you for this landmark on ...I pray every blessing on you for this landmark on your journey. I agree with Dave - it is the moment when the church as a whole says "Yes!" and that can often be a powerul support when local folk think you are there only for them and their (sometimes) limited vision.<BR/><BR/>As for episcopacy - I argue on linguistic terms that superintendents are our bishops (super-intendent being the Latin equivalent of episkope)and the representatives of Conference which is our Bishop. I believe John Wesley dismissed the apostolic succession through the historic episcopate as a "vain myth." So our orders are every bit as apostolic and valid as any other ecclesiological model - your ordination affirms your apostolic calling.<BR/><BR/>Go for it! :)Rev Tony Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09248241050776947372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post-38388522324008752612008-06-29T09:16:00.000+01:002008-06-29T09:16:00.000+01:00Peter, Dave, Paul & Olive - thanks for your good w...Peter, Dave, Paul & Olive - thanks for your good wishes and, Dave, for your wisdom.<BR/><BR/>Peter, I happen to agree with you that it's better to be ordained by the whole church than by a bishop. Like many Methodists I really value our 'connexional' ecclesiology. Which is why it sticks in the craw a bit to say 'Our orders are invalid'. I'm not really against historic tactile succession; I just think our approach is equally valid. You are right, the Bolivian Methodist bishop would not be considered 'valid' by Anglicans and he is simply the 'World Church representative'; it could have easily been a lay person! <BR/><BR/>Olive, I'll certainly come see you at the MET stand. I am under the impression that tea is going to be laid on after the ordination service for everyone who attends, so I hope we can make contact there.PamBGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324370506889227234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post-30131500037721062562008-06-29T09:01:00.000+01:002008-06-29T09:01:00.000+01:00Looking forward to being there to support you, Pam...Looking forward to being there to support you, Pam, even if there may be too many people round you for us to meet then. If we fail to link up at your ordination service, you may find me at the MET stall in the Sun Court Suite because I am responsible for this stall this year. Lots of love and prayers for that special day.Olive Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01757984452846354285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post-86672455365144129342008-06-29T08:40:00.000+01:002008-06-29T08:40:00.000+01:00Wishing you every blessing at this special timeWishing you every blessing at this special timeRev Paul Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05294221174324852637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post-59214562366952187092008-06-29T08:18:00.000+01:002008-06-29T08:18:00.000+01:00Hi Pam,as one grumpy hypertensive blogger to anoth...Hi Pam,<BR/>as one grumpy hypertensive blogger to another I simply want to wish you every blessing for your ordination. When things are tough, as they often are, and you are discouraged and fed up, remember the moment you were ordained and the church said "Yes!" On more than one occasion this remembering has carried me through the dark times.<BR/>love and peace<BR/>DaveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post-63331831168422060942008-06-29T00:22:00.000+01:002008-06-29T00:22:00.000+01:00Thanks for this explanation of Methodist ordinatio...Thanks for this explanation of Methodist ordination. It is quite unlike Anglican ordination in that it is not, by Anglican standards, episcopal or in the apostolic succession. Although there will be a bishop involved in yours, he is an optional extra, and anyway probably not in the apostolic succession by Anglican standards. But instead the true apostolic succession is seen in this:<BR/><BR/><I>it is the entire Methodist Church of Great Britain that ordains us</I><BR/><BR/>That is a great principle, and one which I find much easier to accept than the Anglican one that anyone ordained by a bishop is validly ordained even if there is no participation or even consent of the rest of the church.<BR/><BR/>I hope and pray that this day will be a great blessing for you, and in the longer run also for those you minister to.Peter Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13395635409427347613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20471270.post-11336308896746121272008-06-28T23:49:00.000+01:002008-06-28T23:49:00.000+01:00Congratulations!Congratulations!Sandalstrapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16303641009581382217noreply@blogger.com